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They don't quite listen to outside input, in case you haven't noticed.

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Fuck you, Knux. You don't know a damn thing about our site and if we decide to listen to outside input. You have no say, opinion, or even educated statements to make, so STFU and keep your nose out of our business, and stop trolling any possible public place just to insult PMM. Our server sucks ass, and that's why we're loading so slow lately. We're scheduled to move to a new server in a few weeks time at the most, and it's going to be much better, as well as the new layout we're developing.

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Cool. Wasn't sure, just wanted to bring it up just in case.

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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hollylucination.livejournal.com

STFU? STFU! LOL!!! ROTFG!!! i must remember to use 's~t~f~u' as a retort in daily life from here on out, it sounds so... uh, um. bratty & self~assured.

oh yeah... i nearly forgot:
"Our server sucks ass, and that's why we're loading so slow lately."

i have no idea wtf this hoolabaloo yous whippersnappers is going on about, but blaming shitty servers is no excuse for irresponsible sniveling.

luv,

*me*

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Ahaha, no. I know a thing or two about your site, whether you like to claim otherwise or not.

If I may be so bold, I pointed out that your server sucked ass the minute you guys were back up. Did you listen? No.

Again, I pointed out the bloated-ness of your coding. Did you listen? No.

You're the kind of person who hates to be proven wrong, and that's all there really is to it.

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I already knew my server sucked, and I knew this way before we were back online. I don't need to listen to an idiot like you trying to tell me what to do with my site.

Your life revolves around computers and coding. You're obsessed with it. I don't mind being proven wrong at all, and I have no problem confessing when I've done something wrong. It's not a matter of pride to me.

And as I have said before, the people who code and design the layout take pride in it. Just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean it doesn't work. And there's been more than issue aside from just our damn code that's affecting the way things look. Because of a lot of changes going with the site, nothing is going to be perfect for some time, but you can rest assured, when our new layout is ready, there isn't going to be any problems with it, coding related or not.

You like to make assumptions and deductions based on what you think you know about me and my site. But the fact of the matter is, you don't know it anywhere near as inimately as I do. You are not involved with my staff or how we operate. What you think you know is nothing more than an assumption based on what you see. You can't see behind the scenes, so you don't know what's really going on. And that is precisely why everything you've said has been rendered moot, biased, and without any real basis.

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"It's not a matter of pride to me."

what...you dont take pride in choosing your shity server...

"I already knew my server sucked, and I knew this way before we were back online. I don't need to listen to an idiot like you trying to tell me what to do with my site."

well do you take pride in being faithful to your shity server in flameing E-MAILS til shame do you part?

"And as I have said before, the people who code and design the layout take pride in it. Just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean it doesn't work. And there's been more than issue aside from just our damn code that's affecting the way things look. Because of a lot of changes going with the site, nothing is going to be perfect for some time, but you can rest assured, when our new layout is ready, there isn't going to be any problems with it, coding related or not."

so which is the problem? you or the code? cus it sounds like your saying "its not you honey(the codeing)...its me(you)....

"You like to make assumptions and deductions"

YES I DO...IT MAKES ME FEEL MUCH BETTER AS I WATCH STARVEING BABYS IN RWANDA ON CHANNEL 9 AT 3 IN THE MORNING NURSING A BLOATED BELLY & A HELLISH CASE OF HEARTBURN...

"You are not involved with my staff or how we operate."

buttplug or stodgy ass stick...you decide.....

"What you think you know is nothing more than an assumption based on what you see. You can't see behind the scenes, so you don't know what's really going on. And that is precisely why everything you've said has been rendered moot, biased, and without any real basis."

holyfuck prof marvel i dont know what the fuck going on on your side of the site but over here its absolutelly FUCKED....

in closeing nice defence but no biscuit...we are the ppl that go to your site and make you what you are without us you are nothing but MOOP on the great playa thats cyberspace,
quit wasteing our fucking time and start taking pride in the almighty fan by upgradeing your crap server...

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LOL. Who the hell are you? Take some English classes.

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who am i? why i'm radar_exe ( it says so at the top of this post....

as for the english classes...hukt un fahnx werkd fer me, werts yer prumblam? lol

you shud realy stop whereing your pants so tight and just shut up and laugh it off...
these are just ppl in the world that are trying to help you out by telling you that your sites a little slow ( if you didnt know) thats all....just be the bigger man ( or woman...i dont know but i think man...) and just dont reply to anyone else...

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If you knew the server sucked, why'd you bother? There's plenty of better hosting services. :P

My life does revolve around that, yes, and that's how I'm able to point out your errors. Even so, the errors and shit aren't the real point here, I was stating that you guys don't listen to outside input, particularly you. It's the truth, too, and whether or not I'm intimately involved in your website has nothing to do with it. Plenty of people can see your errors, regardless of how 'intimate' they are with your site. They've brought it up, too, and I'm not the only one you attempted to snap back at for calling you on something, you've done it with others on IRC channels.

"I don't need to listen to an idiot like you trying to tell me what to do with my site."

You're right, you don't need to listen to me, or anyone. You've hidden behind that little bit for awhile now, and I'm fairly confident you'll continue to do so. Good day.

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You're an amusing sack of crap, Knux.

Why did I bother with the server? Simple. I don't have control of the domain back yet. Lars bought it for us when he took us in at Zelda Universe, and we're still in the process of getting it back.

And as much as you are trying to convince me and everyone else that I don't listen to outside input, you're still wrong. It's not the truth, and your statements are completely unfounded. I have nothing to hide behind.

I don't need to listen to you because you don't have a damn clue about what's going on with my site, or why the errors even exist in the first place. Were you able to backup your claims with fact, I would have no problem admitting to being wrong.

And, in this case, I'm not wrong. I'm not saying Planet Mega Man's code is perfect. I never said it was perfect. And I don't doubt it has errors in certain places. What I am saying is that Falcon Zero and NyNe take pride. hard work and patience in developing the layout and the code itself. That doesn't mean it came out perfect, but we certainly strive for the best it can possibly be, even if we don't achieve that.

But when people bring these things up, I don't "snap" back at them for it. Suggestions and advice from people are always taken into consideration, and sometimes just talking to other webmasters from different MM sites helps me come up with new ideas on how to improve the site as a whole. If I didn't listen to outside input, my staff would not have grown considerably in the years since PMM's launch. We started out with 8 or so people, now we have nearly 20.

If I never listened to outside input, PMM would be dead. It never would have gotten off the ground if I threw out other people's advice. You don't visit my forums, so you've also undoubtedly missed several threads (some of which aren't there anymore) where I asked people for their input on how they'd like to see the site's content expand. Or perhaps NyNe's room mate, who suggested we use vBulletin instead of phpBB and graciously bought us a license so we can use it? Integrating the forums with the site wasn't my idea. It was his.

Once again, Knux, you've only proven that you're just out libeling our name, me and my staff. You dispise PMM. You're a jealous, trolling kid with nothing better to do than sit at your computer and come up with statements about me and my site that are completely false and unfounded. Get a life.

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Oh, and on a side note, LBD. Sorry for mucking up your entry with this debate. I appreciate your advice, and want you to know that we're doing everything in our power to keep things running as smoothly as possible on the site until PMM moves again.

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Kewl.

Frankly, the only thing that bugs me is that I woke up to find 51 new e-mail messages in my inbox this morning, and so far, most look like they're from this. ;P

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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*grabs a bag of popcorn*

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Hey! Get some melted and cheese and garlic salt on that. Makes popcorn really awesome.

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i've got some yellow liquid for your popcorn...and its non dairy....

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Now that just gets me all hot and steamy.

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woekitten.livejournal.com

I'm pretty sure the melted-plastic shit that they pour on popcorn at the movies is non-dairy, too.

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I'm a salt-and-butter popcorn eater myself, but perhaps I should try something new.

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momma always said that its a good thing to go and try new things...except this new triple patented crap codeing they got there in that them site of his....

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Salt and butter is good the movie theater. Colby Jack Cheddar shredded and then evenly spread throught the popcorn and then meleted, however, with some garlic salt on top? Heavenly. Definitely try it some time.

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oh...i willl

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I think I will.

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Movie theater has all sorts of shit. Ketchup, sour cream & onion, white cheddar, dill, dressed, and more.

...

...Red usually mixes them all in.

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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egoraptor.livejournal.com

PMM gets like a billion hits. If they're doing something wrong, it's not evident.

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Well of course it's not evident. It's in the inner workings. They get decent hits due to their coverage, content, etc.

I'm talking about something other than what draws the users in.

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egoraptor.livejournal.com

Well, if the staff isn't complaining about it, it's not really a problem at all.

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...Actually, it kind of is. Any website should be what the staff wants, and what's best for the users. I don't see how you can justify it not being a problem if the staff don't care.

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egoraptor.livejournal.com

I'm saying the staff isn't complaining about these "problems" that aren't evident to the normal PMM visitor, so it isn't really a problem at all if no one is complaining.

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DNS shit is easy enough to change. There's really no excuse for taking a shitty host over one that would support your site better.

"I don't need to listen to you because you don't have a damn clue about what's going on with my site, or why the errors even exist in the first place."

The errors exist because your staff doesn't know how to code. I do have a clue, and it's found by simply looking at the source code. If NyNe and Falcon Zero take time and put hard work into the code, why's it so sad, jumbled and bloated?

This is my point. You DON'T listen to outside input. Initially, I didn't jump down your throat for the code itself, I suggested that you modify it so it's more standards compliant, and easier on low end users. You take this as instant attacks on Planet Mega Man. Up until my first comment on this LJ post, which I'll admit was a bit flammatory, everything else I said about your code was advice on how to make it better for lower end users.

As said earlier, I'm not the only one who ever suggested anything. Reeve gave you some friendly advice one night on IRC, and you snapped at him as well. I believe I still have the log, and if I don't, I'm sure someone else does.

Maybe you should start listening to the advice of others, since the level of intelligence you're displaying here is beginning to look shallow.

"Once again, Knux, you've only proven that you're just out libeling our name, me and my staff. You dispise PMM. You're a jealous, trolling kid with nothing better to do than sit at your computer and come up with statements about me and my site that are completely false and unfounded. Get a life."

I don't despise PMM. You're a freakin' affiliate of MMN, for gods sakes. I am beginning to despise you, though. The statements I've made to you and those I made publically about PMM aren't false, and they do have a basis to them.

You've even agreed that PMM's code is shit, so how can you make that statement? Obviously what I've stated isn't false, and you just went in a big path of circular logic. Nice job.

Oh, and for the record, it's spelled 'despise'.

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You're right. There may not be any excuses. But there's a reason.

I'm not talking DNS changes. That IS simple enough. Having the domain point to the right DNS, however, is the problem. Unless I have full control of the domain, it can be changed to point elsewhere. Which is a risk I cannot take.

The errors exist because your staff doesn't know how to code. I do have a clue, and it's found by simply looking at the source code. If NyNe and Falcon Zero take time and put hard work into the code, why's it so sad, jumbled and bloated?

If they didn't know how to code, I wouldn't have brought them on. NyNe is one the best coders I know, and FZ is also very good at coding. Just because it's not up to your standards doesn't mean they can't code. Which is another unfounded statement you've made.

You can sit there and make fun of the code all you want. It makes little difference since we're in the process of developing a new layout anyway.

This is my point. You DON'T listen to outside input.

And THIS is my point. I DO listen to outside input, and have already spoken of multiple instances where I have. So stop saying that I don't.

Initially, I didn't jump down your throat for the code itself, I suggested that you modify it so it's more standards compliant, and easier on low end users.

I have respect for web standards, and I already told you that I took that into consideration. Being the webmaster, obviously I'd rather have clean code than having it all jumbled. Right now, however, it's not our first priority. A new layout, the move to a new server, among other things, and getting all the content back on its feet is more prudent at this time. THEN we can focus on the code. I never once said I'm against making the code better OR compliant with web standards.

And if I snapped at Reeve, which I know has happened before, it's because I don't like him. While he may have been trying to give advice, I'm willing to bet he probably did it in combination with an insult or sarcasm.

Maybe you should start listening to the advice of others, since the level of intelligence you're displaying here is beginning to look shallow.

As I stated in my previous examples, I do listen to the advice of others. Just because I decided not to listen to one person a long time ago and because we're arguing now doesn't mean I'm not listening. Stop trying to paint a fake picture of me.

I don't despise PMM. You're a freakin' affiliate of MMN, for gods sakes. I am beginning to despise you, though. The statements I've made to you and those I made publically about PMM aren't false, and they do have a basis to them.

No, you do. Such is evident from your comments on the post Tim made on MMN on September 7th when PMM was back online briefly. Something along the lines of "Good to see they failed again. Makes me feel good inside."

Your statements have no credit. They ARE false. They have no basis. The only true statement you've made is that there are some problems with PMM's code, and you have a huge issue with it, and are jumping down my throat for it. Just because PMM and MMN are affiliates doesn't mean you don't hate us.

You've even agreed that PMM's code is shit, so how can you make that statement? Obviously what I've stated isn't false, and you just went in a big path of circular logic. Nice job.

I never said/admitted our code was crap, I said it wasn't perfect and I didn't doubt it had errors. Considering everything our site has been through, I'm not surprised it does.

Circular logic? Whatever man. You're wasting your time trying to win. You obviously can't admit it when YOU are wrong.

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Funny thing, Phoenix. You're talking out of your ass.

NyNe and FZ's code isn't measured by MY standards, it's measured against Web Standards, and it's shit.

And if you really did respect Web Standards, you'd understand. Quit calling my statements unfounded, as you don't exactly have anything to show either.

"Your statements have no credit. They ARE false. They have no basis. The only true statement you've made is that there are some problems with PMM's code, and you have a huge issue with it, and are jumping down my throat for it. Just because PMM and MMN are affiliates doesn't mean you don't hate us."

Don't use the term 'us'. I happen to like some of PMM's staff members. Talk about painting a fake picture.

"Circular logic? Whatever man. You're wasting your time trying to win. You obviously can't admit it when YOU are wrong."

Trying to win? Everything I've stated about PMM is correct, though you'll probably dispute that with some more inane logic, and the fact that these public displays piss you off is just funny. I don't need to admit I'm wrong, and I don't need to try to win. I pretty much already have, since I've poked holes through PMM's shoddy coding, and you know the holes exist. That's what I initially tried to point out to you.

The fact that it took multiple arguements for you to realize is only further evidence that you don't want to listen to outside input.

I feel the need to code PMM's current layout in valid code now, just for kicks. Maybe I'll do that tommorow.

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You're a tenacious bastard. Don't know when to call it quits.

Funny thing, Phoenix. You're talking out of your ass.

Yeah, funny thing. I've been telling the truth the entire time. You just think you're clever enough to try and turn everything around on me and make it look like I'm in the wrong.

NyNe and FZ's code isn't measured by MY standards, it's measured against Web Standards, and it's shit.

And if you really did respect Web Standards, you'd understand. Quit calling my statements unfounded, as you don't exactly have anything to show either.

No, in YOUR opinion, it's shit. You measure it against web standards because they are your standards and then use that as your justification to insult my staff.

Don't use the term 'us'. I happen to like some of PMM's staff members. Talk about painting a fake picture.

If you don't like someone on PMM, then that's basically the same as not liking us. I say us, because PMM is a team, not a single a person.

Trying to win? Everything I've stated about PMM is correct, though you'll probably dispute that with some more inane logic, and the fact that these public displays piss you off is just funny. I don't need to admit I'm wrong, and I don't need to try to win. I pretty much already have, since I've poked holes through PMM's shoddy coding, and you know the holes exist. That's what I initially tried to point out to you.

The fact that it took multiple arguements for you to realize is only further evidence that you don't want to listen to outside input.

I feel the need to code PMM's current layout in valid code now, just for kicks. Maybe I'll do that tommorow.

No, everything you have stated about me and PMM and is NOT correct. The only true statement you've made is that PMM's coding has errors, which I acknowledged from the start of all this bullshit. You can try and pass off my defense as inane logic, but in reality, I'm telling the truth, and you won't accept that because you're dellusional and won't admit you're wrong.

You think you've won just because you pointed out errors in our coding? Fine, whatever. Have your meaningless victory. You're acting like you just won World War 3. Like I said before, I never said that PMM's coding DIDN'T have errors. I acknowledged it had errors before you even posted here on LJ about it.

And you know something else? Yes, I am pissed off. I have no problem admitting that your open libel and hatred of me and my site pisses me off, because your statements are 99% unfounded. And since you find that funny, it only proves to me what I said about you before. This is exactly how you get yourself off. By flaming other people, making fun of their misfortunes, and insulting them whenever you can. And quite frankly, I think that's about as low as anyone can go. You're pathetic.

It never took "multiple arguments" to realize that PMM's coding has errors. What I have to keep repeating to you because your primitive skull is do damned thick, is that I acknowledged the coding errors on PMM before this all even started, and that I do listen to outside input as I sighted in my earlier examples. So GET OVER IT.

I've said what I needed to say. If you want to keep carrying on this pointless debate of yours, then you're wasting just as much time as you are attempting to recode PMM's layout. If you think I'm going to reupload your own personal version of it, you're HIGHLY mistaken.

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No, it did take multiple arguements, since you denied the fact before this. That's about all I have to say to you, unless I wanted to fling a couple of insult as well, in which case I'd stoop to your level.

And I wouldn't allow you to reupload a personally recoded version, moron. I'd do it merely for the sake of showing how easily it could be done. I'm not delusional, and everything I said has mostly been correct, because yes, it has been about PMM's code, and how you generally don't take advice well. If anything, you're the delusional one, trying to turn this into something else entirely.

This is becoming a waste of my time, but feel free to argue further. It's pretty evident that you just hold a grudge against me, and won't listen to anything. XD

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Bleh, in case you couldn't tell, that was me. Forgot to log in, still morning and I'm tired.

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Although Kanuck here isn't the top staff member of MMN, this is still a MMN vs PMM fight, really. Denying that is foolish. Thing is, this is a kindergarten fight over the red crayon, the way you two keep going back and forth. I mean, why don't you both just start calling each other names like "stupid-head" or "momma's boy", etc. It's disgusting and embarrassing to see staff of two of the largest and more successful MegaMan websites on the internet acting like this. If Capcom for some possessed reason were to see this, they may just want to re-evaluate their professional relationships with the two sites.

Kanuck, although I'm sure you may have good reason for saying that ZXP doesn't listen to suggestions, why don't you just repost your suggestions regarding the code right here in this LJ entry. "But I already..." SILENCE! Just do it. Going on like this is fruitless, other than planting more seeds of hatred and animosity, and making you look like an ass to everyone else no matter how "in the right" you are.

Sean, you need to simply take what Kanuck says and say, "Thank you for your suggestions, I will make note of them." There's no need to explain why the code is the way it is, why you may or may not change it, etc. As the webmaster of Planet MegaMan, you have no need to be on the defensive. Read that again. You have no need to be on the defensive. Although I understand why you would want to be, you don't need to be. There will always be people who hate you and/or Planet MegaMan. Going on like what is happening above is fruitless, and will only make you more frustrated and more people hate you. Don't you see? You have the website. Who do you need to defend yourself against? Maybe your own staff, and that's it.

And why are you two even bothering? It is clear that MegaMan Empire is much more superior than MMN and PMM combined. :P

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Actually, it's not a PMM vs MMN fight. This is something I've tried to point out to Phoenix for a few weeks now, and he's been a little too thickheaded to admit when he's wrong and accept advice. If this were a PMM/MMN thing, I'd bet good money on there being more than just me and him arguing.

But whatever. Code suggestions?

- Lose the jumbled Table Mess
- Use Divs, lists, and define most if not all of it via CSS
- Cut down on all the images making up the structure.

Granted, it goes deeper than that when you actually go to do it, but that's the general gist of it all.

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Style sheets are the best invention since ... something.

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"It is clear that MegaMan Empire is much more superior than MMN and PMM combined. :P"

Damn fucking right. :O

While I find this entire coding crap pretty stupid, it's kind of amazing that Knux isn't the one tossing insults around but the self proclaimed mister mature is. What's with that?

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Incidently, one question for most of the posts here: why are they almost all replies to my initial post instead of to preceding posts? Makes the thing tricky to follow by e-mail(which I do to make sure I'm not overlooking replies to other LJ posts/comments).

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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korcas.livejournal.com

We do it to ruin your day! >_>

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Makes sense. ;P From what I've seen of LJ in action, it means I'm the only one getting e-mails of replies.

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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i think that this is just a joke at this point and i had fun up to now but i think that you shud make it so no one else can reply in this post....that shud make your e-mail rest a little easyr tonight....

as for the rest of you ppl...come on....we all know that pmm is running a little slower then norm so lets just give it a brake and just walk away knowing that you had your say and thats that...

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