they're grasping at straws. they have to know the PSP is a complete failure by now. if hardware is going to last, it always gets established it's first year. it's first year is almost over (in japan), and so far nothing makes it worth owning.
oh, saw those megaman/megaman x battle dioramas at big lots today, I didnt even know they were out. they look cheaply made, but damn, the boxes have quite a bit of weight to them.
It may not be a complete failure, but the DS has kicked the PSP's ass sales-wise six ways from Sunday. And honestly, I haven't heard much about the PSP that makes it worth owning either, beyond the fact that you can hack it to play ROMs and such.
Again, that's your opinion, if you can't find the good games on the PSP, maybe you're not looking hard enough, or maybe it doesn't have the right genres for you, but again you'll have to consider that not everyone wants to play Mario games either, or feed a dog that doesn't even exist.
The PSP has done MUCH better than ANY non-Nintendo handheld that has entered the market ever since, that alone is a HUGE acheivement, and anything but a failure. And just selling more than the other system is not an asskicking, they're not that far apart, and they won't get any farther apart with the course of time, closer, yes, farther? Never.
I just can't stand all those retarded console wars, from the beginning the PSP has been said to fail, to be owned by Nintendo, most of the gaming community has been downing on the system just because it wasn't Nintendo. That reminds me a LOT of the days when the PS1 was announced, or the days the Atari ruled the gaming world and the NES tried to enter.
It may be true that Sony's statements are arrogant, so what? Nintendo does it, MS does it, Sega would do it, it's business, are you going to judge a good system by the stuff the company that sells it says?
In a month I'll be owning both systems, both have awesome games, just buy and play what you want and leave this stupid war alone, it's the biggest waste of time.
Very few facts are being discussed here, its a constant battle of opinions and preferences that fuels arguments like these.
And I have to say, I would consider buying a PSP under several conditions. They need to cut back on what the system can do. Play movies, play music, play games, end world hunger. Do any two of those, don't try to fix it all. It spreads the system too thin in my /opinion/. Secondly, if they are truly serious about competing for my attention, they need to get some of the heavy-hitter Playstation games on the PSP. Get Square-Enix to pop something out. Get Capcom to make a game from one of their franchises that actually sells, Hell, port GTA, it sells like hotcakes. ... Mmmmm Hotcakes... Lastly, it need to have a battery life that can contend with my lifestyle. I almost always have a Gameboy or my DS with me, because they have disgustingly long battery lives. I could have it all week long and just have the battery light turn on me while I'm sitting at home late at night. To have to charge the battery after watching one of their UMD movies seems a waste of my time. Why not just leave it plugged in at home and watch it? The answer is because I have a TV to do that.
Anyway, I'm getting away from myself. While I'm not the most objective person when it comes to consoles, I do still own a PS1 PS2 and have considered a PSP. But as it stands right now, I'm not shelling out $200+ for a system that has next-to-nothing that I want for it. I think that that mindset is what has Sony in a lot of trouble. People are waiting to see what they have in store, and all anyone seems to be getting is sales figures thrown about and a lot of chest-thumping on Sony's part.
Now if only they could get the PSP to make Hotcakes... Well I'd buy one in a heartbeat... Mmmm....
if sony is allowed to say the DS is irrelevant, when it's beating them 2 to one and has been since they both launched the same month in japan, then I'm allowed to call the PSP a failure.
In my mind, I completely agree with you. The PSP tried to go head-to-head with the DS, and its just can't do it. They should have released it either before or after the DS, not around the same time. Game boy killed Game Gear and NGPC, it's be safe to say Nintendo has the market cornered, so breaking into it would probably work best when they aren't releasing a new system to further reinforce their lock on the market, right?
Speaking from a business standpoint, it was a gross failure to research their competition and to learn from the losses of the companies that came before them in the handheld market. Those who do not learn from history are fated to repeat it.
Incidently, I think the DS was also something that Nintendo used to specifically trip up the PSP, with the potential for growth.
Word was that it wasn't their next Game Boy(which I theorize was their back-up "main" plan to counter PSP), but since DS has been successful, they might just hold off on that next project for a bit.
Agreed. The DS came out of nowhere, and in the words of Nintendo itself is not a Game Boy replacement. That at least implies a newer, more powerful Game Boy somewhere on the horizon.
Very few facts are being discussed here, its a constant battle of opinions and preferences that fuels arguments like these."
I haven't sold any of my opinions as fact. The only fact I mentioned, which is a fact, not an opinion, is that the PSP is doing better than any other non-Nintendo handheld.
"if sony is allowed to say the DS is irrelevant, when it's beating them 2 to one and has been since they both launched the same month in japan, then I'm allowed to call the PSP a failure."
1: They weren't launched in the same month, the DS had a head start. 2: The PSP is 300.000 units behind in sales this year, that's hardly 2:1 3: They said the DS is irrelevant to them because they're both targetting different kinds of target groups. 4: Judging a system because the company that makes it says something stupid is... well, stupid.
" it's be safe to say Nintendo has the market cornered, so breaking into it would probably work best when they aren't releasing a new system to further reinforce their lock on the market, right?"
Nintendo pretty much still owned the console market when the PS1 came, you saw what happened. I can't imagine any reason for anyone to call a system a failure when NEITHER system has even really started off yet. The DS has not started either, both systems are going QUITE slow in terms of game releases. This entire handheld generation is sluggish for now.
"Speaking from a business standpoint, it was a gross failure to research their competition and to learn from the losses of the companies that came before them in the handheld market. Those who do not learn from history are fated to repeat it."
So you mean, just because other companies couldn't make a successful handheld, no one should ever try? I'd hate to see you as a game producer, because no one would ever do anything new, and Nintendo wouldn't even have tried to make a new handheld after the Virtua Boy. Because, uh.. VB was a Nintendo handheld, and it failed. See, Nintendo isn't perfect.
People need to take off their rose colored glasses if they DO try to take one side, neither side is perfect, but BOTH sides deserve to have a go in this, if you bash a system because the company it makes has an attitude you dislike, that's your problem, if you volountarily miss out on good games because of that, it's your problem. But you'll have to realize that it's quite shallow in the end.
Oh yes, let's throw around insults in response to a post that had no insults, nor anything close to insults at all.
What bug crawled up YOUR ass? Are you unable to have a sophisticated discussion or what? Is it so hard to deal with people who disagree with you that you need to be insulting? Sheesh.
First, I want to clarify I am not a console basher, be it Sony or Nintendo, Windows or Mac, Coke or Pepsi. Moving on.
The DS has done some very creative things that put an emphasis on gameplay. That being said, the games on the PSP are often just as good, but for the most part, they're simple ports of games many PS2, or even Xbox, owners might already have. Nintendo has done this as well, but the N64 had a wide variety of very popular games that have A: Been improved, or had content added, and B: Have been around longer, adding nostalgia of a dead system. As for the PSP, there are original games like Lumines, and there is a clear superiority in sound and graphics. However, there have been several poor decisions through the span of the PSP's release, which has been damaging. If the PSP wasn't released when the PS2 was alive, and the games out for a good while, it would likely sell better. There are a few more details, but that's the gist of the story.
And as for the bigot part, 10 years ago the president of Sony commented that Japanese companies do better than American ones because they don't have to deal with black employees. As far as I have seen, that is truth, not rumor, and not anti-Sony propoganda.
In the end, my opinion is that better marketing, lower cost, and an increased focus on newer games with unique gameplay have helped the DS be more than just a knick-knack or the like. Until something changes, I believe this will remain as it is, with the DS on top in the portable war.
"And as for the bigot part, 10 years ago the president of Sony commented that Japanese companies do better than American ones because they don't have to deal with black employees. As far as I have seen, that is truth, not rumor, and not anti-Sony propoganda."
I'm sure someone from Nintendo or Sega, or any other Japanese company could have said the same 10 years ago, it's generally pretty well known that the Japanese tend to have racist tendencies.
Yes, having been a xenophobic culture for so long does do that. But I heard it was the president of Sony, specifically, and that even if Shigeru Miyamoto or anyone else was a racist, they didn't say it. Oh well, it's not the main point anyways, and I can't say I know for sure because I can't confirm the details.
Sony's such a big bunch of bastards. It doesn't matter what kinds of systems they have now; they're just pure, loudmouthed, mean-spirited bastards, plain and simple. It's something we have more than enough of these days.
Yeah, Sony really is a bunch of arrogant fools. Screw PSP. Never looked appealing to me anyway. I'll most definitely buy a DS in the future. I can't believe they have the audacity to try and pass insults like that at Nintendo. Pathetic morons.
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Date: 2005-08-27 06:30 am (UTC)oh, saw those megaman/megaman x battle dioramas at big lots today, I didnt even know they were out. they look cheaply made, but damn, the boxes have quite a bit of weight to them.
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Date: 2005-08-27 09:13 am (UTC)LBD "Nytetrayn"
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Date: 2005-08-27 03:01 pm (UTC)Oh yeah, and your opinion != Fact.
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Date: 2005-08-27 03:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-27 03:49 pm (UTC)The PSP has done MUCH better than ANY non-Nintendo handheld that has entered the market ever since, that alone is a HUGE acheivement, and anything but a failure. And just selling more than the other system is not an asskicking, they're not that far apart, and they won't get any farther apart with the course of time, closer, yes, farther? Never.
I just can't stand all those retarded console wars, from the beginning the PSP has been said to fail, to be owned by Nintendo, most of the gaming community has been downing on the system just because it wasn't Nintendo.
That reminds me a LOT of the days when the PS1 was announced, or the days the Atari ruled the gaming world and the NES tried to enter.
It may be true that Sony's statements are arrogant, so what? Nintendo does it, MS does it, Sega would do it, it's business, are you going to judge a good system by the stuff the company that sells it says?
In a month I'll be owning both systems, both have awesome games, just buy and play what you want and leave this stupid war alone, it's the biggest waste of time.
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Date: 2005-08-27 05:34 pm (UTC)Very few facts are being discussed here, its a constant battle of opinions and preferences that fuels arguments like these.
And I have to say, I would consider buying a PSP under several conditions. They need to cut back on what the system can do. Play movies, play music, play games, end world hunger. Do any two of those, don't try to fix it all. It spreads the system too thin in my /opinion/. Secondly, if they are truly serious about competing for my attention, they need to get some of the heavy-hitter Playstation games on the PSP. Get Square-Enix to pop something out. Get Capcom to make a game from one of their franchises that actually sells, Hell, port GTA, it sells like hotcakes. ... Mmmmm Hotcakes... Lastly, it need to have a battery life that can contend with my lifestyle. I almost always have a Gameboy or my DS with me, because they have disgustingly long battery lives. I could have it all week long and just have the battery light turn on me while I'm sitting at home late at night. To have to charge the battery after watching one of their UMD movies seems a waste of my time. Why not just leave it plugged in at home and watch it? The answer is because I have a TV to do that.
Anyway, I'm getting away from myself. While I'm not the most objective person when it comes to consoles, I do still own a PS1 PS2 and have considered a PSP. But as it stands right now, I'm not shelling out $200+ for a system that has next-to-nothing that I want for it. I think that that mindset is what has Sony in a lot of trouble. People are waiting to see what they have in store, and all anyone seems to be getting is sales figures thrown about and a lot of chest-thumping on Sony's part.
Now if only they could get the PSP to make Hotcakes... Well I'd buy one in a heartbeat... Mmmm....
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Date: 2005-08-27 06:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-27 07:27 pm (UTC)Speaking from a business standpoint, it was a gross failure to research their competition and to learn from the losses of the companies that came before them in the handheld market. Those who do not learn from history are fated to repeat it.
That's my opinion anyway.
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Date: 2005-08-27 11:21 pm (UTC)Word was that it wasn't their next Game Boy(which I theorize was their back-up "main" plan to counter PSP), but since DS has been successful, they might just hold off on that next project for a bit.
LBD "Nytetrayn"
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Date: 2005-08-27 11:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-28 02:01 am (UTC)Very few facts are being discussed here, its a constant battle of opinions and preferences that fuels arguments like these."
I haven't sold any of my opinions as fact.
The only fact I mentioned, which is a fact, not an opinion, is that the PSP is doing better than any other non-Nintendo handheld.
"if sony is allowed to say the DS is irrelevant, when it's beating them 2 to one and has been since they both launched the same month in japan, then I'm allowed to call the PSP a failure."
1: They weren't launched in the same month, the DS had a head start.
2: The PSP is 300.000 units behind in sales this year, that's hardly 2:1
3: They said the DS is irrelevant to them because they're both targetting different kinds of target groups.
4: Judging a system because the company that makes it says something stupid is... well, stupid.
" it's be safe to say Nintendo has the market cornered, so breaking into it would probably work best when they aren't releasing a new system to further reinforce their lock on the market, right?"
Nintendo pretty much still owned the console market when the PS1 came, you saw what happened. I can't imagine any reason for anyone to call a system a failure when NEITHER system has even really started off yet. The DS has not started either, both systems are going QUITE slow in terms of game releases. This entire handheld generation is sluggish for now.
"Speaking from a business standpoint, it was a gross failure to research their competition and to learn from the losses of the companies that came before them in the handheld market. Those who do not learn from history are fated to repeat it."
So you mean, just because other companies couldn't make a successful handheld, no one should ever try? I'd hate to see you as a game producer, because no one would ever do anything new, and Nintendo wouldn't even have tried to make a new handheld after the Virtua Boy. Because, uh.. VB was a Nintendo handheld, and it failed. See, Nintendo isn't perfect.
People need to take off their rose colored glasses if they DO try to take one side, neither side is perfect, but BOTH sides deserve to have a go in this, if you bash a system because the company it makes has an attitude you dislike, that's your problem, if you volountarily miss out on good games because of that, it's your problem. But you'll have to realize that it's quite shallow in the end.
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Date: 2005-08-28 05:16 am (UTC)That is all, have a nice life.
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Date: 2005-08-28 09:21 am (UTC)What bug crawled up YOUR ass? Are you unable to have a sophisticated discussion or what? Is it so hard to deal with people who disagree with you that you need to be insulting? Sheesh.
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Date: 2005-08-27 11:28 pm (UTC)The DS has done some very creative things that put an emphasis on gameplay. That being said, the games on the PSP are often just as good, but for the most part, they're simple ports of games many PS2, or even Xbox, owners might already have. Nintendo has done this as well, but the N64 had a wide variety of very popular games that have A: Been improved, or had content added, and B: Have been around longer, adding nostalgia of a dead system. As for the PSP, there are original games like Lumines, and there is a clear superiority in sound and graphics. However, there have been several poor decisions through the span of the PSP's release, which has been damaging. If the PSP wasn't released when the PS2 was alive, and the games out for a good while, it would likely sell better. There are a few more details, but that's the gist of the story.
And as for the bigot part, 10 years ago the president of Sony commented that Japanese companies do better than American ones because they don't have to deal with black employees. As far as I have seen, that is truth, not rumor, and not anti-Sony propoganda.
In the end, my opinion is that better marketing, lower cost, and an increased focus on newer games with unique gameplay have helped the DS be more than just a knick-knack or the like. Until something changes, I believe this will remain as it is, with the DS on top in the portable war.
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Date: 2005-08-28 02:03 am (UTC)I'm sure someone from Nintendo or Sega, or any other Japanese company could have said the same 10 years ago, it's generally pretty well known that the Japanese tend to have racist tendencies.
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Date: 2005-08-28 03:25 am (UTC)But I heard it was the president of Sony, specifically, and that even if Shigeru Miyamoto or anyone else was a racist, they didn't say it. Oh well, it's not the main point anyways, and I can't say I know for sure because I can't confirm the details.
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Date: 2005-08-29 03:43 pm (UTC)"You lose! Good day sir!"
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